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Hyviä pointteja. Tarkennetaan vielä sen verran, että minusta ketjussa on ollut täysin asiallista ja oikeutettua kritiikkiä. Olenhan minäkin kovasti pettynyt siihen, että Winds ei ole vieläkään saatavilla, ei sitä voi kiistää. Muualla netissä törmää Martinin rajuun lyttäykseen, ja viestien kirjoittajat väittävät silti olevansa Tulen ja jään laulun faneja. Miestä haukuttiin laiskaksi jo A Feast for Crowsin odotuksen aikana — romaani ilmestyi lokakuussa 2005, viisi vuotta ja kaksi kuukautta A Storm of Swordsin jälkeen. Minulle odotus oli lyhyempi, koska luin ASoS:n vasta loppuvuodesta 2002.
Sitten kun olen lukenut The Winds of Winterin, aion katsoa viitos- ja kuutoskaudet. Tulen ja jään laulun päätösosan jälkeen sitten kaksi viimeistä kautta. Mutta en ole missään välissä fanittanut oheistuote-telkkasarjaa, katson sitä kirjasarjan sovituksena. Martinin romaanit ovat se juttu, josta innostun.
KiLLPaTRiCK kirjoitti: Kateellinen Jussille. Voisit katsoa blurayltä 27 jaksoa Game of Thronesia putkeen vaikka huomenna.
Otsikko kyllä häiritsee: "Game of Thrones -kirja".
Kirjan suomennoksesta ei ole vielä sopimusta, kertoo Martinin aiempien teosten suomentamisesta vastannut Satu Hlinovsky Kirjava Kustannuksesta.
Minua hieman harmittaa, ettei itselläni riittänyt itsekuri tähän. Alun perin oli tarkoitus lopettaa sarjan katsominen viidennen tuotantokauden jälkeen ja jonkin aikaa noudatinkin tätä periaatetta. Sitten kuitenkin järkeilin, että viimeisen kirjan ilmestymisessä kestää hyvässä lykyssäkin vielä lähemmäs kymmenen vuotta. Ei sitä tiedä, olenko edes hengissä enää silloin. Mikä vieläkin traagisempaa, Martin ei välttämättä itsekään ole enää silloin hengissä, jolloin kirjasarjan lopetusta ei koskaan tule. Niinpä päädyin pitkän puntaroinnin jälkeen jatkamaan tv-sarjan seuraamista, vaikka se menikin kirjoista ohi. Onhan huonosti kuvattu loppuratkaisukin parempi kuin ei loppuratkaisua ollenkaan.
Jussi kirjoitti: Sitten kun olen lukenut The Winds of Winterin, aion katsoa viitos- ja kuutoskaudet. Tulen ja jään laulun päätösosan jälkeen sitten kaksi viimeistä kautta. Mutta en ole missään välissä fanittanut oheistuote-telkkasarjaa, katson sitä kirjasarjan sovituksena. Martinin romaanit ovat se juttu, josta innostun.
Kuupposen päivä: Kiitos viestistäsi, se oli kiinnostavaa luettavaa. Rupesin kuitenkin miettimään, että jos keskustelua tv-sarjasta haluaa jatkaa, niin se pitäisi varmaan tehdä toisessa ketjussa. Tämä kun on "Kirjauutisia"-aihe. Itsekin syyllistyin edellisessä postauksessani siihen, että puhuin monen rivin ajan Game of Thronesista.
Huomasin, että Martin on kirjoittanut viime päivinä kiinnostavia vastauksia
kommenttiosiossa. Erityisesti tämä kiinnitti huomioni:
This question might be painful, but I’ll ask it anyways: has there been any thought of publishing WINDS in similar fashion as FIRE AND BLOOD: in two volumes?
Some of my publishers have suggested breaking up WINDS as we did with FEAST and DANCE. I am resisting that notion.
George, do you think it’s still possible to complete the series in just 7 books? Even without splitting TWOW, I get the feeling there are way too many story arcs that need to reach some sort of conclusion, and we might be looking at an inevitable 8th book. Any thoughts?
My thought is I want to finish book 6.
Regarding TWOW, there is one thing I’m extremely curious about. Going back to your New Year’s post over two years ago, you explained how you for the better part of the year had thought it would be possible to release the book before the upcoming GoT season. Perhaps that was unrealistic to begin with, but it must have meant that you weren’t TOO far away from finishing the book. Since then, 2+ years. What happened?
Did you need to do a lot of re-writing?
Did you stop working on the book more or less completely in favor of other projects?
Have you started working on A Dream of Spring?
I have done some rewriting, yes. But there have been distractions as well.
No, I have not started working on A DREAM OF SPRING.
George, besides the Targaryen history, is there anything else you’d be interested to explore in length that’s reflected only relatively briefly in AWOIAF? If you had the time between other projects, would you write something like that?
Alas, I don’t have the time, that’s the point.
IF I had all the time in the world, I would finish THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING, write another six or eight or ten Dunk & Egg novellas, complete the second volume of FIRE & BLOOD… then I might go back my unfinished historical BLACK AND WHITE AND RED ALL OVER, do some Wild Cards stories and maybe a Wild Cards novel, write some new Haviland Tuf stories, spec a few pilot scripts for my own GAME OF THRONES successor shows, do a sequel to FEVRE DREAM, return to the Thousand Worlds for a huge space opera… and then do something completely different, like a murder mystery or a western.
Time is always the issue.
Hi George, any possibility of releasing the deleted Tyrion chapter in DANCE (where he met the Shrouded Lord) in the near future? In the Guardian Interview of 2014, you said you have been tempted to publish it as a novella. Have you decided to publish it? It won’t spoil WINDS and we will certainly enjoy it!
I will need to do something with that chapter one of these days… but just what, I don’t know.
Just for the sake of argument, let me point out that many many people invest their time into works without endings. F. Scott Fitzgerald never finished THE LAST TYCOON, Charles Dickens never finished EDWIN DROOD, Mervyn Peake never finished TITUS ALONE, yet those works are still read.
I do intend to finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, of course… but doubtless Peake, Dickens, Fitzgerald, and Tolkien would have said the same.
My past experience has proved to me that progress reports do more harm than good. Some people dislike the answer and that triggers a fresh wave of nonsense. Or they do like the answer, but having answered one question just guarantees I will get a hundred more the next day. Also, since no one ever seems to go back to old posts, I get asked the same questions over and over and over again, even if I have already answered them a dozen times.
Sadly, that seems to be just what is happening here on this new blog. Replying to comments just brings in more comments that people want replies to. And the commenters will not stay on topic, no matter how often I ask. This post, for example, was about FIRE & BLOOD, but I am getting tons of comments about WINDS OF WINTER and the GAME OF THRONES series, including some very specific questions about specific characters… questions of the sort that I have never replied to, and will never reply to. Character reveals belong in books, not blogs.
I do like to engage with my readers, but this does get frustrating.
I don’t know… I think I have probably released too many sample chapters already. Put them all together, and what, there are probably more than a hundred pages (I honestly don’t know, I have never tried the exercise).
In the past, I have always been happy to release sample chapters, and to read other chapters at cons. But in this age of the internet, no good deed goes unpunished. That was brought home to me when the Dozois anthology BOOK OF SWORDS was released, and I found myself reading reviews that slammed “Sons of the Dragon” as ‘old, retread’ material because I’d read the story at a couple cons… for the entertainment of the few hundred people in the audience, but of course summaries went up all over the web, and somehow in the minds of some what should have been a brand new reading experience became old and familiar. It’s not worth it putting up sample chapters and giving readings if it means it will come back and bite me in the ass when the book is finally published.
Tässä asiassa olen eri mieltä Martinin kanssa. Jos GoT:n seuraajasarjojen suunnittelussa mukana oleminen vie aikaa Tulen ja jään laulun kirjoittamiselta, kannattaisi minusta jättäytyä niistä kokonaan pois.
I am not glad. We did not need anything else than Winds of Winter and the last book. All fucking spinoffs and histories and other moneymaking stuff could have waited!!!!! First things must come first!
I am not sure HBO would agree that the spinoffs (I prefer the term “successor shows” myself) could have waited. With GOT set to end in 2019, they put five of them in the works, so as to have a new show… or more than one… to take up the mantle in 2020. (Development takes time). The successor shows were going to happen regardless. I prefer that they happen with my participation and guidance, rather than without it.
Sen jälkeen, kun eilen kirjoitin viestini, antoi Martin vielä yhden kiinnostavan vastauksen kommenttiosiossa:
I’m not sure if it was the official explanation, but it’s certainly been bandied about that several chapters at the end of Dance were held out at the publisher’s request. I’m sure it was done with the best of intentions, and probably with practical issues in mind (I’m a printer, so I get these things), but have you considered whether in the future, if you feel a book as a whole is one volume of work that you will be more likely to resist these requests. I feel half the frustration with waiting for Winds is that it feels like the End of Dance was hacked off to many people.
My original intent was to end DANCE with the two big battles, yes… intercutting between the two of them, each told through several different points of view. And both battles were partially written. But NOT COMPLETE, which became the issue. Also, maybe even more to the point, not yet good enough in my estimation. Battles are bloody hard, and I wanted these to be great.
The book had already been scheduled for publication, I had blown through several previous deadlines, and we simply ran out of time. Initially I decided to push one battle back to WINDS to focus on the other, but that did not work either, and neither of the sequences came together the way I wanted them to, so ultimately the choice came down to moving both of the battles to WINDS or cancelling the planned publication and pushing back DANCE. And given how far ahead publishers schedule their releases, the pushback would not have been a few days or a few weeks, but at least half a year, and maybe longer.
Also, DANCE was already very long, and the battles would have made it substantially longer. That could also have affected the pricing.
Did we make the right decision? I don’t know, even to this day. I understand your frustration, and some days I do feel the same way. But back then I had the fans howling after DANCE the same way they are howling after WINDS now, and my publishers really really did not want to push back again. And DANCE, even without the battles, was extremely well received — yes, there were dissenters, I know that, readers who did not like the book as well as the earlier volumes, but out in the wider world, DANCE had extremely strong sales, rode the bestseller lists for a long long time. It was a Hugo finalist, won the Locus Award for best fantasy of the year, and was named by TIME magazine as the book of the year. So even without the battles, it worked pretty well… but part of me still wonders if we made the right choice.
These things are not easy. Those who think they are have obviously never written anything, or had to deal with the realities of publishing.
Fire and Bloodin brittikansi paljastettiin:
Uh… I never said anything about Dany, that was added by Bantam. Please disregard.
What really happened during the Dance of the Dragons? Why did it become so deadly to visit Valyria after the Doom? What is the origin of Daenerys’s three dragon eggs? These are but a few of the questions answered in this essential chronicle
What really happened during the Dance of the Dragons? Why was it so deadly to visit Valyria after the Doom? What were Maegor the Cruel’s worst crimes? What was it like in Westeros when dragons ruled the skies? These are but a few of the questions answered in this essential chronicle
Heti toinen viesti perään... Törmäsin brittikustantajan laatimaan Fire and Bloodin
, joka poikkeaa amerikkalaisesta:
300 years before A Game of Thrones, dragons ruled Westeros
From the masterly imagination behind A Game of Thrones – one of the greatest fantasy epics of all time and an unmissable HBO hit series – comes a definitive history of Westeros’s past as told by Archmaester Gyldayn.
Unravelling events that led to A Song of Ice and Fire, Fire and Blood is the first volume of the definitive two-part history of the Targaryens in Westeros. Revealing long-buried secrets and untold lasting enmity, it sets the scene for the next heart-stopping title in the series, The Winds of Winter.
300 years before the events of A Song of Ice and Fire, long before the schism that set the houses of Westeros at each other’s throats, one house ruled supreme and indomitable. House Targaryen, the house of the last remaining dragonlords.
After surviving the Doom of Valyria the Targaryen’s established themselves on Dragonstone. This volume traces their legendary lineage from Aegon the Conqueror to the bloody Dance of Dragons; a civil war that pitted Aegon II and his half-sister Rhaenyra in a bitter conflict for the throne of their father, nearly wiping out the Targaryen dynasty forever.
What really happened during the Dance of the Dragons? Why did it become so deadly to visit Valyria after the Doom? What is the origin of Daenerys’s three dragon eggs? These are but a few of the questions answered in this essential chronicle, as related by a learned maester of the Citadel.
With all the scope and grandeur of Gibbon’s The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Fire and Blood is the ultimate guide to Westeros’s past. Featuring more than eighty all-new black-and-white illustrations by artist Doug Wheatley this is an essential volume for any Game of Thrones fan’s library. For the first time the full tapestry of Targaryen history is revealed.
Martin on lopettanut melkein kokonaan yleisötilaisuuksiin osallistumisen, mutta on mukana kohta alkavassa San Josen Worldconissa. Eräs fani kysyi Martinin blogissa, aikooko kirjailija lukea ääneen jotain. Vastaus:
Winds julkaistu ennen ensi vuoden Worldconia?
I am not reading at Not ConJoseII. I may do readings next year in Dublin, or at other conventions, but that’s too far in advance to worry about. I do enjoy reading, but I’ve already read so many different chapters from WINDS, I want to save some for the book.
I will not tour for FIRE & BLOOD… not one of those month-long twenty-city grinds, anyway. I may make a couple of appearances, maybe one on each coast. I don’t know. There’s a lot to be worked out.